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Storm-Impacted Ocean County Residents Reaching Breaking Point Over Recovery Problems

Ocean County Board of Freeholders looking for ways to streamline process as much as possible

 

Ocean County will not recover from Superstorm Sandy in a matter of weeks or even months, Freeholder Director John P. Kelly said today.

"It's going to be years," he said.

Kelly made the remarks at the Ocean County Board of Freeholders caucus meeting, a meeting dominated by the storm that ravaged Ocean County on Oct. 29.

And while much of the slow recovery process depends on the Federal Emergency Management Agency, the state and local municipalities, the county needs to do as much as possible to provide guidance, Kelly said.

"We want them to know county government will do everything to help them," Kelly said. "Every phone call we have received is unique and very time-consuming."

Gov. Chris Christie "did his best to provide some sort of guidance" when he announced recently that the state would adopt the Federal Emergency Management Agency's advisory base flood elevations immediately, Kelly said.

"It wasn't a matter he discussed with the board," he said. "We have to live with it."

The next 90 days will impact the future of Ocean County, Freeholder Joseph H. Vicari said.

"We have to bring new money into Ocean County," he said. "It can only be done in cooperation with other agencies. We have a plan in place. Once we lose the tourism industry to the southern states, it will be very difficult to get people to come back to Ocean County."

Municipal and county officials need to do as much as possible to streamline the rebuilding process or risk having residents and business owners walk away, Vicari said.

"The residents are at a fragile, breaking point right now," he said. "They are not living in their houses."

Vicari said the state needs to enact legislation that would put a five-year freeze on house assessments after residents rebuild and improve their dwellings, as long as the footprint of the home doesn't change.

"You don't give people incentives, they will walk away," he said after the meeting. "The state of New Jersey should freeze assessments for five years so at least it gives you a break."

Vicari attended the monthly meeting of the Ocean County Mayors Association last week. The major topic of discussion was storm recovery, he said.

"There was a 100 percent consensus that the dunes are a public safety issue," he said. "They must be done. We don't want to lose residents who come for the summer months."'

Rebuilding has already begun on Jenkinson's Pavilion in Point Pleasant Beach, and the Casino and Funtown piers in Seaside Heights, Vicari said.

"We are trying to get information out, trying to sell Ocean County," he said.

The mayors also discussed how quickly the cost of building materials is rising.

"Every month it's going up ten percent," Vicari said. "The Department of Consumer Affairs is taking a look at it."

County Administrator Carl W. Block said the Sandy aid figures released by FEMA last week were preliminary, not final amounts. So residents and municipal officials should not panic if their towns were not on the list.

"There is going to be considerably more money distributed," he said. "It just hasn't come yet."

There are different categories of storm aid, such as debris removal, Block said.

"Each state will be given an amount for which category and how much," he said. "I would think that within seven days, we will start getting word from the state. The reports aren't wrong, they are just incomplete."

Residents' frustration levels are increasing, because they are faced with a myriad of regulations and delayed insurance payments, Lacey said.

 "I'm getting calls because people don't know what to do," he said. "I know who to call and I can't get a straight answer. It's very convoluted."

Pat S. February 3, 2013 at 09:41 pm
TR- you are so right; this article turned my stomach. Money grubbing trumps helping your constituents- business as usual.
Chief Wahoo February 3, 2013 at 10:10 pm
In separate interviews, Moran and her husband, Matt Doherty, said they were aware of potential conflicts and made sure they had nothing to do with the selection of AshBritt or Ferriera.
“My firm does not lobby and I do no business in Belmar, period,” Moran said. She said she went to upstate New York with her children before the storm hit and “did not communicate with my husband or anyone in the borough about how they chose to manage the cleanup.” After Conti hired her, Moran said she recused herself from any dealings the company had with Belmar “to avoid even an appearance of impropriety.” Why dont these public officials who sleep with each each other , ever seem to take each others last names......could it be to keep as many layers on the onion of corruption and croynism........ You all can believe their BS , not me, NOT NEVER !!
proud February 3, 2013 at 11:18 pm
@ SAl, I take it from your comment that you are a big reader. Did you ever read the story of the Great Flood in the six hundredth year of Noah's life? Many will tell you that this actually occurred, but the ark has never been found.
CanWeTalk? February 4, 2013 at 12:23 am
and beaver dam would be where? is toms river? if so, go to the toms river website.
http://tomsrivertownship.com/ you should be able to get any information you need there. Or you can read the Patch for the articles. Toms River Twsp. does Post plenty of info. Hope you can get help.
proud February 4, 2013 at 12:55 am
@ Sal, to answer your question "How would your home do with a sixteen foot storm surge?", that would depend on what zone you were living in.I live in an A zone on the mainland with an effective BFE (finished first floor level)of six feet above sea level.The building is actually seven feet nine inches above sea level.The advised BFE is eight feet,which would require me to elevate the building or be penalized with usurious flood insurance premiums that would substantially devalue my home, if it were adopted.I could lessen this burden by elevating yet another two feet to ten feet above sea level. If I were to elevate to the eight foot elevation advised by FEMA and adopted as the standard by the governo,r and experienced a sixteen foot storm surge,there would be eight feet of water in my home.If I did not elevate the building there would be eight three inches of water in my home, if it were still standing. The net effect is negligible both as a flood risk as well as the potential settlement of an insurance claim.Yet, I may well be forced to decide whether or not I feel that it is prudent to spend $100,000 to elevate a building that is worth just around $100,000. Now,I must point out that the odds of even an eight foot surge in my zone is one hundred to one in any given year,if you believe FEMA and the Governor's incomplete science. At ten feet the odds would be five hundred to one. At sixteen feet it would be thousands to one. I'll take those odds any day but will still lose.
Nick Carraway February 4, 2013 at 03:30 pm
Proud, you're thinking the right way. For generations, there was the possibility of a storm like Sandy, and that storm didn't come until October 2012. Sandy made landfall at high tide and high tide on a full moon...the highest tides we get. New Orleans is a city below sea level, and hadn't been hit by a Category 4 hurricane until Katrina. I remember there were discussions about whether New Orleans should be rebuilt at all, but we can see from last night's Super Bowl that they didn't relocate the city. This is all about risk and more importantly, money. The insurance companies and FEMA got whacked hard by Sandy, and now they're screaming that they don't want to have to pay and that they certainly don't want to have to pay again at some point in the future which is why they're trying to impose these unreasonable conditions. What people outside of Ocean County forget is that many of the homes that were destroyed had been there for decades, belonged to elderly or were passed down within the family, that when these houses were first built, many didn't want to live in Ocean County because there weren't good roads to take you to and from the cities and there wasn't much development, stores, etc. Many who lost their homes couldn't have afforded to buy those homes in the recent years' real estate markets, so the "solutions" are unrealistic for most homeowners. This was the worst storm to hit Jersey because of the high tide. What's the likelihood of that happening again?
Unclebob February 4, 2013 at 03:57 pm
Maybe everyone affected should post "4-Sale" signs in front of the wreckage and see what the real estate fairy brings us. I'm thinking of doing just that. Put up a sign, see who bites and what they have to offer and GTF out. Maybe when Hovsans rebuilds Holiday on the Bay they might want to redevelop the entire western shore of Barnegat Bay? Just imagine, condos as far as the eye can see.
Unclebob February 4, 2013 at 04:11 pm
I'm gonna go get a sign, to hell with it all.
JENNY JONES February 4, 2013 at 06:23 pm
just heard today on the news that when obama care goes into effect a family of fours health ins will be 30000 a year..so that and my raising of house etc i need to bring home 70 a year...lol seriously what the heck thats flood and health only for 1 year no one could afford that
George February 4, 2013 at 06:34 pm
Stop getting your politically biased "info" from Faux News.
JENNY JONES February 4, 2013 at 06:39 pm
i know what you mean carol! how about if you had no water inside just lucky for sure..but heating air etc ruined from crawl space flood..i am now disabled also..so lifting up my home will be difficult for me, how will steps fit in garage? wont be room for my car..endless questions endless money endless problems
proud February 4, 2013 at 06:42 pm
Are you suggesting @George that @Jenny Jones should get her "not" politically biased "info" from CNN or MSNBC?
Sue February 4, 2013 at 06:49 pm
Proud, you and Sarah Palin are also blaming ABC, CBS, NBC, newspapers, Yahoo, AOL and the rest of the "lamestream media" for everything. Are you in denial about climate change, too? Evolution? A round earth?
proud February 4, 2013 at 07:09 pm
@Sue, I am not blaming anyone for anything. Nor do I know Sarah Palin. The point I was trying to make is that while Fox news may very well have a right wing slant, certainly the majority "mainstream" media has a left wing slant, and that of CNN and MSNBC should be considered to be extreme. Moreover, I am in denial of nothing, but must point out that the earth is not perfectly round; evolution exists;, and, I chose to wear a ski jacket today as my swim trunks were in the laundry.
Nick Carraway February 4, 2013 at 07:17 pm
Sue, clearly Proud's posts reveal his/her level of frustration with this situation. I turn you attention to his 7:55 pm post last night, which I think paints a good picture as to what is so frustrating for many. I don't have any problem with FEMA saying that the homes that have to be rebuilt need to be built at a certain elevation. That addresses your climate change concerns. But, for homes that survived Sandy without needing to be rebuilt, those homes that are located in the V zone still need to elevate according to FEMA. So, the "lucky" homeowners who managed to have a home that survived Sandy is now being forced to foot the bill to either elevate their homes or suffer massive insurance increases which will diminish the value of their homes. That "lucky" homeowner is now caught between a rock and a hard place. In addition, he probably can't even sell his home because of the damage and the impending doom of being in a V zone without proper elevation. It's not right. If FEMA wants to use climate change as a means to justify all of these new elevations, then FEMA should be willing to make a fair offer to those whose homes do not need to be knocked down but which are along the coastline.
CanWeTalk? February 4, 2013 at 07:44 pm
@UNCLE BOB.................Get a "FOR SALE BY OWNER SIGN" there is no such thing as a "REAL ESTATE FAIRY" Just another group of MONEY GRUBBING THEIVES. Sorry for the few honest ones, but, for the most part........No, Real Estate is going to take huge percentage of what little you would get. Sell on own.
proud February 4, 2013 at 08:25 pm
@Nick Carraway, I am of the opinion that you feel my pain, as Clinton would say. The devastation of Sandy is very frustrating to so many of us. FEMA's precise regulations and proposed regulations fail to address so many variables, known and unknown. This is why I must chuckle at comments such as made by @Sal that Sandy was a "mild" storm. Sandy the hurricane was not particularly signfiicant. Sandy the superstorm certainly was! The confluence of various storm systems is what resulted in its magnitude of force and destruction. As you pointed out, there was a full moon at high tide when Sandy come ashore on the Jersey Coast, which obviously contributed to the unprecedented storm surge. It was cold weather factors that turned this low category hurricane into a monster Noreaster. Low barometric pressure;a winter storm system from the west;arctic air from Canada;and, the system from Greenland that blocked the jet stream and caused the left turn is what impacted our area so much.Those factors in connection with impeccable timing resulted in" beyond the perfect storm". I believe that many don't realize that Sandy was more of a cold weather event than a tropical one. Could this same set of circumstances happen again? Yes, it's possible (but, many experts don't believe that it is probable). Does that justify the risk premium that is going to devastate our economy? NO! FIRM maps are much too quantitative and not nearly qualitative enough to serve their intended purpose.
Al Romanelli February 4, 2013 at 10:43 pm
You are right Barbara
JENNY JONES February 4, 2013 at 11:47 pm
george i actually heard that this morning on the radio..jim gearhart 101.5....
foggyworld February 4, 2013 at 11:47 pm
Kelly says "we have to live" with this mismanaged disaster. Why? Governor Christie is a nice man but he is making a huge mistake by just going along with FEMA's completely out of date data and labels.
Now if Kelly plans to just live with it, he and those who think like him including the Governor, will not be in office much longer. We the little folks are being shafted and to make it worse we are forced to pay for all of the civil servants' horrible judgement via the highest taxes in the land. So I agree, this county is headed for destruction in good part because next to no "leaders" give a hoot about we who fund them. I have lived a long life and never seen the despair I have seen since late October. There is no compassion, no money, no reasonable standards so one by one folks are leaving not just Ocean County but the State of New Jersey which is one unholy mess.
JENNY JONES February 4, 2013 at 11:53 pm
thank you nick for pointing out exactly the boat that i and many others are in.. maybe if you managed to be lucky enough to still have a home it should be left alone and not forced to be raised..if home has to be knocked down then the rebuild should be at the new standards
Nick Carraway February 5, 2013 at 04:50 am
proud, Jenny, and everyone else who is trying to fight their way through the red tape just to go home...stay strong and keep fighting! You are not alone. We will get through this.
Josef Kramer February 6, 2013 at 06:26 pm
3 of them were which was a blessing as I was able to rent them out for more supply and demand! Fistful of dollars!
Jessica Ingold February 8, 2013 at 11:37 pm
At this point I am at wits end I have contacted Connor's office and christie's office about this whole V zone..I live on a lagoon where are there 3 to 4ft waves..along with after 3 months I have laid out 40,000 of my own money to get my house up and running so I can have structure and order for my kids..Dam it!!!! what does it take for these idiots to understand we have lives and just want to get past this an move on..bet if it was them in our shoes they wouldn't being having the troubles we are having to get our money from these insurance companies..hey all the interest they are making by sitting on this money better head are way also since it is our money cause we pay our premiums every year...
lucille February 8, 2013 at 11:46 pm
bernie your right i am in little egg harbor and people are starting to walk away because of the v zone
mr henry February 9, 2013 at 02:23 pm
@Proud , not sure what point your trying to make Proud other than you believe in something not sure what..Fact is if you had no insurance and took money to fix your house from fema they now own you..if you had insurance and fixed your house but it is lower than they want it to be you must pay or move so again they own you. At this point the Governor has said property buy outs are still a option...nice now you have a public crabbing lot next door to your house..My children will be paying back money for the rest of thier lives from this and in the end a few will have gotten richer with your and mine tax dollar...sad truth is money flows and not all of it gets to the proper places.If you wish to argue that the Goverment is not out to harm you I will agree if you wish to agree they are not out to help you I will agree to that to ,,I take it you have a civil service job or you wouldnt be so blind to the situation unfolding around the state. have a great day
mr henry February 9, 2013 at 02:28 pm
@ Voice of reason..anyone that was alive and had a Brain after Katrina knew!!!
Will March 1, 2013 at 10:25 pm
Dear Victims: I worked for insurance companies many years ago....when Sandy hit the insurance companies did not and could not hire more professional adjusters; there is not many out there to hire. So, an adjusters daily workload of thirty case has increased to 300 daily. They still have to do the "usual" paperwork. You will see your money, but unfortunately, it will take a long time and in some cases have to fight for it! But do and call very often in order to keep your file on the top of the piles of claims.
God Speed.
Jersey Girl March 18, 2013 at 02:29 am
I have a home on the water in Toms River NJ our house is mildewed the waters are contaminated. Month like everyone. They Change the codes zone get no answers no help. And i totally Agree. Instead of helping the United States. They are right there in an instant shipping millions overseas and they should be concerned with helping our own. Very Sad World.
Sue April 27, 2013 at 06:13 pm
Be at MSNBC-TV's Joe in the Morning show "live" here at the Shore on Monday, April 29th with big protest SIGNS about FEMA pricing 1000s out of their homes, profiting from Sandy victims, giving us red-tape run-arounds for 6 months, etc. Let the national TV audience know FEMA damaged the Shore more than Sandy did!
What town will the TV show be in? Let's spread the word! Let's tell Congress to rein in FEMA! ==> StopFemaNow.com

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Patricia A. Miller (Editor) June 19, 2013 at 11:48 am
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