Berkeley Needs More Police Officers, Republican Council Candidate Says
Berkeley Board of Ed member looking to make the jump to Township Council
Ask Thomas Grosse - a Republican running for one of the at-large seats on the Township Council - if he thinks the police department needs more officers and he doesn't hesitate to answer.
"Absolutely," said Grosse, 40, Southern Boulevard.
And he doesn't want people to think he feels that way just because he's been a Toms River Township police officer for 17 years. For Grosse, it's a question of public safety.
Berkeley needs at least two police officers on duty in the senior communities at all times, Grosse said.
"It's essentially its own town," he said."I'd like to see a substation out there."
The township overall needs more officers as well, Grosse said.
Grosse is running with Carmen F. Amato Jr. - who is seeking the mayor's seat - and Robert Ray and John Bacchione, who are running for the council seats.
Democratic incumbent Township Council members Anne M. Wolff, Peter J. Mustardo and Nathan A. Abbe are not seeking re-election. The Amato team is running against Democrats Jason J. Varano, who is seeking his fourth term, Anthony Mazzella, Edward Olsen and James Egan, who are running for the council seats.
Grosse is more than two-thirds of the way into his first term on the Berkeley Board of Education. Bacchione is currently serving as vice-president of the Berkeley school board.
"I've gotten an education on how local government works, how budgets are put together," he said. "I like being involved with the town. I think I can take what I've learned on the school board and use it on the Township Council."
One of the key points in the Amato team's platform is the 146 percent increase in the township budget's amount be raised by taxation from 1999 to 2010.
When asked where line items could be reduced, Grosse said he would have to determine that once he was on the Township Council.
"I've never been on the council," he said. "I don't want to speak out of term. I haven't seen the budgets. But we intend to go line by line to see where we can reduce, without reducing services to the township."
Grosse agrees that the township had to do a revaluation once it was ordered by the Ocean County Board of Taxation.
"It was a long time coming and probably should have been done progressively," Grosse said. "It had to be done. it has to be fair. It should have been done properly."
He is an instructor at the Ocean County Police Academy and also serves as treasurer of the Toms River PBA Local #137. He is a member of the Berkeley Township Historical Society, the Clara B. Worth School PTA and the Holiday City - Silver Ridge Park Italian-American Club.
"I've been in public service my entire life," he said. "I volunteer for the community no matter where I live. I really enjoy it."
Grosse lives on Southern Boulevard with his wife, young daughter and son.
berkeleytaxman
8:07 pm on Saturday, November 5, 2011
"I haven't seen the budgets. But we intend to go line by line to see where we can reduce, without reducing services to the township." When do you plan on doing some research Mr. Grosse??? We need experienced forward thinking citizens serving Berkeley. We don't need more republican puppets who vote as they're told. How do you plan on addressing you running mates: Amato/Noonan/Davis who haven't increased the number of police officers since they've been on the town counsel??? Your "team" has had the opportunity to increase the number of police officers, but have stated they "want to decrease the number of township employees." I guess we shouldn't be shocked though! Amato has been saying one thing and doing another since he's been elected to office.
Tom Grosse
8:50 pm on Saturday, November 5, 2011
Berkeleytaxman, I honestly find it difficult to address the concerns of someone who hides behind an anonymous screen name. I place myself at the forefront for all to see while you criticize from behind your computer. But thank you just the same for your well thought out and insightful comments.
Joe Facts
7:57 am on Tuesday, November 8, 2011
Tom you have my support in the up coming election. That being said. If we need more cops in Bayville. I propose a 20 percent wage decrease to any one making 65 thousand or more this includes teachers administrative police officers town workers. This can be voluntary to save money now or we can enforce it in the up coming contract negotiations. The average salary cut in the private sector is close to 30 percent. We cant be giving away these large contracts any more. We are in very hard times and every one must do there part to control spending.
berkeleytaxman
9:08 pm on Saturday, November 5, 2011
Mr. Grosse, I too honestly find it difficult to understand how someone who is seeking to represent our town "hasn't seen the budget." How do you plan on addressing the fact that your "team" has reduced the numbers of law enforcement in the past years as opposed to increasing the numbers as you said you would do? Anonymous or not, its a valid question. Thank you.
PBBN
7:26 pm on Sunday, November 6, 2011
Hey my boy tax man your buddy Egan said the same thing.
John DiStefano
11:02 pm on Saturday, November 5, 2011
This is not a comment against or for increasing the number of police officers. I want a safe town as do most. However since your team has been in control we are down 8 officers. How can you run on a platform to say we need more when you/they have not done so already. ?
skizma
7:28 am on Sunday, November 6, 2011
Uh, well, he obviously wants to bring them back. Did HE vote them out? No. He is obviously bringing a different view to his group. Good grief. How does he get chastised for the loss of officers when he wasn't on the council at the time? Oh, and the democrats don't vote together? Seriously.
Robert Cruz
8:03 am on Sunday, November 6, 2011
Oh, I get it. So no one can bring any idea to the table unless it's been part of the party platform for the preceding 8 years? Sure, makes perfect sense.
The fact that he has highlighted his desire to increase the size of the police force, while his party has reduced the number of officers is proof that he is not a puppet of his party.
As for Mr. Grosse's statement with respect to the budget, at least the guy tells the truth-- he hasn't seen it yet, but is interested in evaluating it with a fresh set of eyes and cutting wherever possible. His honesty is refreshing.
I've talked to Mr. Grosse. He seemed friendly, intelligent, articulate, and eager to do his best to maintain and improve the quality of life for the residents.
dorym
8:10 am on Sunday, November 6, 2011
SURE, JUST WHAT WE NEED MORE EXPENSES AND MORE TAXES, DUMMY.
John DiStefano
8:26 am on Sunday, November 6, 2011
so... what you all are saying is, he wants more police and the rest of his ticket does not at least not enough to do so already, but going forward maybe....not a very unified group
Robert Cruz
8:36 am on Sunday, November 6, 2011
I don't want a unified group, John. I want intelligent representatives who are able to think for themselves, and are able to put forward ideas even if they don't conform to group think. If Mr. Grosse's idea has merit, and he is able to convince other members of the council, then it will happen. If he is not, then it won't happen. That is how a democracy should function. Would you prefer a council that votes in lockstep as told by the party heads?
morrissey
10:16 am on Sunday, November 6, 2011
yes thats what john would like , he is a dolt and likes to be told what to do
Poindexter McSmash
9:08 am on Sunday, November 6, 2011
1984!
kedron
9:25 am on Sunday, November 6, 2011
More police = higher taxes.
walt tupycia
10:06 am on Sunday, November 6, 2011
more police higher pensions.
eben 5307
12:35 pm on Sunday, November 6, 2011
morrissey why dont you take a 33 percent cut in your salary and grosse flat out said he wanted to look at the budget to see where cuts could be made not spent and was honest that he couldnt answer because he had not seen the budget yet. and police union thug????? do you have proof or first hand knowledge as to what mr. grosse does as a member of his union?
PBBN
7:30 pm on Sunday, November 6, 2011
way to go eben. Morrisey is blogging right from his tent in Zuccoti park.
berkeleytaxman
2:56 pm on Sunday, November 6, 2011
Mr. Cruz,
Officer Grosse's honesty is refreshing and EYE OPENING. While he may be friendly, eager, and articulate he certainly is not the right fit for berkeley! I want a representative on the counsil that has taken the initiative to put the time in and research the budget before running as a candidate. Its backwards and lazy! While I'm sure most of us would like the police force to double in size, the fact is it costs TAXPAYER MONEY! When you look at the history of the town you can often see how his republican party puppets have voted and said they want less police officers. So..... Given the fact Officer Grosse hasn't taken the time to even look at the budget, I don't see how he could accomplish his goal of increasing the police force given the fact Amato/Noonan/Davis don't want more officers!
muchluv
3:29 pm on Sunday, November 6, 2011
You know whats sad is that Morrisey is obviously an Amato blogger and supporter. His attack on Grosse and the public sector is a reflection on what team Amato must represent. Attacking Grosse gives him the excuse that he is not a camp Amato stooge but we are not fooled. Mr. Grosse is a decent guy no doubt. Grosse wants more cops in Berkeley but his team to include Chris Christie are anti-cop. Grosse would be a good candidate for council except I question his loyalty. The way many of us see it he turned his back on his brothers and sisters in blue and the public sector as a whole. He did this by aligning himself with republicans who find it acceptable to blame the working man for the woes of the state. I do admire you sir for responding in this blog. I do respect your public service.I am disappointed in you due in part to the attacks by state republicans that you are now one of! These attacks against the public sector are reprehensible and you too should be offended! I cant see how you agree with it. Its not just cops its teachers and public works ect ect. The backbone of the state! Never forget where you come from Mr. Grosse. Your a blue collar, pension paying proud union member who protects the citizens of this state. Be proud of what you are and be ashamed of what you are becoming
morrissey
4:27 pm on Sunday, November 6, 2011
i guess you would think he would be a good candidate if he had a D next to his name
walt tupycia
4:08 pm on Sunday, November 6, 2011
one more thing how many jobs can you have and do.It looks like you have a full schedule.I hear comment about council people saying that they work 30 hours a week look at the app comments were made that being a council member is a full time job.
walt tupycia
4:17 pm on Sunday, November 6, 2011
Mr.Grosse this is not attack on you i respect the police i have family members in jersey that are police chief former and my best friend is a police chief.Do not take this personal Good luck on election day.
morrissey
4:22 pm on Sunday, November 6, 2011
an amato bloggger.....LOL.....i will be going after amato , as soon as becomes mayor and doesnt do what he said he is going to do.....i am ANTI taxes paid by the homeowners and threat of losing their shelter.....I am ANTI private sector paying for better salaries, benefits and pensions than they receive.....i am against waste, croynism and spending taxpayers money by hiding the money in "surplus"........i am for blowing the whole broken and corrupt system NO MATTER what letter is nect to your name !!!!!!!!!!
walt tupycia
4:35 pm on Sunday, November 6, 2011
what happens whe you are working overtime for toms river will you be able to attend the council meetings?
berkeleytaxman
4:39 pm on Sunday, November 6, 2011
I agree with you Watler. Once again...We have another republican puppet who says he'll do one thing and in reality he'll do the opposite. Officer Grosse's team has been saying for years they want LESS OFFICERS. It would be great if Mr. Grosse responded to some of these questions. Were does he stand on the attacks on the middle working class??? We know his boss AMATO stands for LAYING OFF TEACHERS (UNLESS OF COURSE YOU'RE FAMILY OR FRIENDS)!!! I'll ask again: How do you plan on addressing your running mates: Amato/Noonan/Davis who haven't increased the number of police officers since they've been on the town counsil???
walt tupycia
4:40 pm on Sunday, November 6, 2011
time and a half double time or council meetings that you will be getting paid for even tho you do not have to attend which is more important?
berkeleytaxman
4:54 pm on Sunday, November 6, 2011
I've never seen him at a counsil meeting. A friend of mine (who works in Toms River) told me Officer Grosse works the evening shifts when the counsil meetings are held which would make him unavailable to even attend the meetings.
LetsBeRealPeople
4:58 pm on Sunday, November 6, 2011
walter...this is my first time posting but i had to respond....how can you say mr grosse has turned his back on his fellow police officers...he has publicly stated that he disagrees with what the governor has done with the unions...its not his fault that he and christie are in the same party...every one gets on here and assumes things and spreads false information..its ridiculous
walt tupycia
5:06 pm on Sunday, November 6, 2011
why do you even need a union in the public sector.Every thing is open.Private sector yes.
walt tupycia
5:09 pm on Sunday, November 6, 2011
if this officer works evenings he will never have to attend?But will get paid about 8k a year.This would be another one of his Jobs sounds familar in ocean county.No show jobs
walt tupycia
5:10 pm on Sunday, November 6, 2011
would he qualify for another pension?
TranparentTruth
5:15 pm on Sunday, November 6, 2011
Why doesn't Grosse respond to all the questions on the blog? I would like to know if there is any truth that Grosse is being investigated. I saw he answered once, but hasn't since last night. He seems out of touch.
LetsBeRealPeople
5:19 pm on Sunday, November 6, 2011
out of touch ??? beause he doesnt respond to this crap ??? get a life...if hes smart hes got better things to do
TranparentTruth
5:35 pm on Sunday, November 6, 2011
you're right. he's got better things to do than to answer questions asked by people who he wants to vote for him. you're right! silly me to expect he would want the truth out there. silly me to expect he would be transparent. He most likely has a call into Amato and Gilmore to see what he should do and say!
skizma
8:22 am on Monday, November 7, 2011
ahhh, he did give you the truth....you just don't see it. transparent truth? I would hope someone we have on council is not transparent as a piece of plastic wrap. there should be a lot more substance to a person than that. Transparent. how trite and immature. Some dumb pat phrase . There's NO truth at all using that word.
L & M
5:45 pm on Sunday, November 6, 2011
I was drafted into the military, and worked as a military policeman for two years. We did not have a union, but did get a governmental pay check. With the thinking being expressed by a few bright bulbs out there, I guess as was considered to be on the governmental dole. I have gotten to know Tom Grosse over the past year. He is a true gentleman, and a valuable asset to our community. We should all be proud of him for his willingness to run for political office. He is not a complainer. He is a doer that can think for himself. No one controls this fine man. He has my total support.
LetsBeRealPeople
5:46 pm on Sunday, November 6, 2011
in a real forum..yes..give him a fair shot to answer questions..but here !...no one has a chance...people just put whatever allegations they want and hope it spreads...i have questions too but im sure he knows that whatever he says however he responds hell have varano stooges like walter and berkelytaxman attack him...wasnt he transparent when he said he didnt see the budget yet..he couldve lied about that
Vanporker
7:27 pm on Sunday, November 6, 2011
What are your questions? I do agree he was transparent admitting he didn't see the budget, but I don't understand how just two days before an election that you are seeking a counsil seat in how you haven't taken the time to review the municipal budget. I really hope the voters realize he either isn't interested in or doesn't have the time required to devote to the position. Vote NO to the republican machine.
morrissey
7:56 pm on Sunday, November 6, 2011
vote against the cop who is for more cops ..................POLICE STATE
LetsBeRealPeople
8:11 pm on Sunday, November 6, 2011
give it a rest morrissey...youve beat this thing to death...less cops..yeah thats real smart....look at the Patch poll...all the R's are up..and all the D's are down...sorry dude..youre people arent looking real good right now
morrissey
8:51 pm on Sunday, November 6, 2011
you want more cops, so do i........cut their pay/benefits in half and the double the amount of cops to keep the community safe
skizma
8:18 am on Monday, November 7, 2011
Seeing the budget is how you are judging a candidate? You really need to be more insightful. Seeing the budget does not give you nearly enough information. You need a detailed accounting and some serious information sessions. Did he see the budget. good grief. He'll see it soon enough after election. Then the real work begins.
walt tupycia
2:09 pm on Monday, November 7, 2011
This is why you will be seeing a county force because towns cannot afford them anymore.They have become unmarketable.Such as toms river is next to berkley they are there already.Look when there is a fire many towns already back up.
skizma
2:13 pm on Monday, November 7, 2011
that might be a good idea walt. But towns like their own police force. They like the personal get to know you idea of their own town's policy department. NJ is sooooo slow to change anything such as something like this.......but a worthy idea.
walt tupycia
2:50 pm on Monday, November 7, 2011
miss miller i just made a nice comment why was it deleted it just stated about county force
walt tupycia
5:26 pm on Monday, November 7, 2011
there is so much grant money to work overtime he will never show up for meetings.Baby seat checks inspection stickers cross walks this is all overtime on grant monies.
walt tupycia
6:23 pm on Monday, November 7, 2011
seniors i hope you are not on life support?Vote Do not be scared he is only a police officer that wants another pension.
eben 5307
9:32 am on Tuesday, November 8, 2011
a police officers job puts their well being in danger every time they say goodbye to their families for the day! have u ever had to tell someone a family member is never coming home again or have u ever done cpr on a young child with your best efforts and the child still die!!!!!!!! morrisey you and all these other people ranting about having the police take pay cuts you have no idea what they do and that their families endure for you to be safe behind your little computer u make me sick.
morrissey
10:22 am on Tuesday, November 8, 2011
not even one of the 10 most dangerous jobs.....so take your BS somewhere else......if they are so concerned about safety and "serving" they would not take so much money from the taxpayers and they/we would have more police officers on the road.....but of course they only serve themselves......but it doesnt matter what i say, economics coming the next 2-3 years will take of all the corrupt dealings of the past 20 years and wipe them away ......until then we are stuck with the overpaid ticket writers
eben 5307
9:34 am on Tuesday, November 8, 2011
joe facts cutting someones salary that does that job is not controlling spending that would be tragic and wrong on many levels.
Joe Facts
10:14 am on Tuesday, November 8, 2011
Cut salary to employ more people don't give the chosen few high paying jobs. Stop twisting facts.
eben 5307
9:37 am on Tuesday, November 8, 2011
right now there is one officer for holiday city. there are over 14,000 homes in holiday city ????? wow i know towns that are smaller then that and have more then one officer on at a time for that many homes! why dont you get the real facts joe instead of just running your mouth
Joe Facts
10:37 am on Tuesday, November 8, 2011
Who in your family is sucking off the the tax payers of Bayville.
eben 5307
10:46 am on Tuesday, November 8, 2011
so then your answer is no u never have had to do those things overpaid ticket writers is all you came back with your are ignorant and i hope you never need a police officer to save someone in your family sucking off taxpayers hahaha your a real tough guy
eben 5307
10:49 am on Tuesday, November 8, 2011
and what dangerous job do you do? then maybe we can decide if you need a cut in salary
walt tupycia
5:13 pm on Tuesday, November 8, 2011
there are no jobs people are out of work in the private sector.This is the real world.This is not a public sector.People are looking for work.
walt tupycia
5:15 pm on Tuesday, November 8, 2011
The first thing that Mr grosse wants to hire more police.Conflict of interest.Just ask toms river who is on uour border to help out because they just hired 6 new officers.
walt tupycia
5:18 pm on Tuesday, November 8, 2011
to help this economy people need to work in the private sector not public.Public is just increasing taxes.Jobs need to be created in the private sector.
walt tupycia
5:22 pm on Tuesday, November 8, 2011
if mr grosse wins this will be another job with a pension.
walt tupycia
5:22 pm on Tuesday, November 8, 2011
pensions pensions pensions pensions.
walt tupycia
5:24 pm on Tuesday, November 8, 2011
Just for your information 70% of public pension checks are mailed out of state.What does that tell you.Rape the taxpayers and split the state.Take the mone and run.
eben 5307
7:22 pm on Tuesday, November 8, 2011
so walter you want the police force to be private ??? pensions are mailed out of state bc its expensive to live in new jersey and the six officers hired in toms river are hires just trying to keep up with retirements and they are short berkeley is extremely under staffed and look at the polls he prob is going to win im all for a private polkice force then when cry babies like u walter go to the town meetings complaining there are speeders or police do nothing im sure the private police force will try and make everyone happy and do their jobs to the fullest eventhough u want to cut their pay hahahaha yea right sure lets go to private sector police forces
morrissey
9:05 pm on Tuesday, November 8, 2011
these leeches leave the state because their pensions are not taxed out of most states.......scumbags
lifer
6:41 am on Wednesday, November 9, 2011
More police officers? How about making them work while on shift? Many police officers sleep in Dudley park or behind the sewage building on route 9. I also wish I could put a timer on how long I see cop cars lined up next to each other in the AM on the side of the firehouse across from the old post office talking to each other. Many also are at their house for a long time. I always see the police car running on Central boul in the morning in front of a house for 30 minutes at a time. Shift starts at 6:00 and it is 6:45 when I see this so it can't be a break. I know our OT is out of control also. This is not because of a shortage of cops but a lack of work ethic and call outs.
Joe Facts
7:44 am on Friday, November 11, 2011
And varano had nothing to do with this?
walt tupycia
5:44 pm on Thursday, November 10, 2011
seniors do not complain when your taxes double.